That depends on the person.

Some folks love what they do and as a result make tons of money without money being a priority.

Some folks love what they do and are willing to settle for less money. That to is their right and they are happy in doing so.

For those whose interest is only in making money, they are not to be worried about. Life has a way of dealing with people who have no morals.

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People pay for what they do, and still more for what they have allowed themselves to become. And they pay for it very simply; by the lives they lead.
James A. Baldwin

Somehow I don't think your statement would help to comfort this woman:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVroA...eature=related


Our current health care system is driven by profit, and in many cases doctors who want to give good care are not allowed to as they have to do what the system allows. The system is the problem, not the individuals.

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my experience on X5world when I spend too much
time posting in political threads in the lounge...

My statement was talking about individuals not insurance companies.
I thought i made that clear. But if i didn't then my mistake.

Fair enough. Although I don't think there has been much discussion in this country of switching to a socialized system. What has been discussed is a "single payer system" which means the doctors will stay private, but the insurance companies (the "payers") will be nationalized.

Again, as usual, you know nothing about what you speak of

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RIP Equality, It was nice to meet you this summer...

Ok...since you know more, tell me a single member of congress or someone in the federal government who has proposed that we switch to a completely socialized medicine system, and post for me the article that quotes them talking about it or the part of their website that states this position. I'd be shocked if you could find a single one.

As it is, barely any of the liberals have even suggested a single payer system. Of all of the Democrats who ran in the primary for president, only Dennis Kucinich was in favor of a single payer system, and even he did not want to socialize the entire system.

As for Obama, he is not in favor of a single payer system, so it is laughable that people not only accuse him of that, but they accuse him of wanting socialized medicine. If Obama gets his way completely, not a single employee in the current health care system will become a government employee. All he simply wants to do is collectively bargain with the private insurance companies for those who do not have insurance. The result of Obama's plan will be that more people have health insurance, and those in the highest tax bracket will pay for it. But it will not mean any improvement in the quality of care, and will not solve the conflict of interest problems that plague the current system. The insurance companies will still do their best to pay out as little as possible and provide as little care as possible in order to maximize their profits, and doctors will still be hamstrung by what the insurance companies order.

As for McCain, he has not said much at all except a bunch of double talk. He claims we need to "fix" the health care system through the free market. What the hell does that mean? If the free market is "free", then how do you "fix it"?? And if you do "fix it", then aren't you messing with the free market and it will no longer be a free market? He has said nothing that makes any sense, and has not proposed any specifics as to what he would do to fix the current health care system.

I'm going to take a page out of your book and ignore this, instead I'm going to list 2 things, respond as you wish

1) You do nothing but bad mouth our health care system, favoring instead to leave your employees without any form of protection from health costs and your words of complaint are your from of protest.. Tell me you see how hypocritical this must sound....

Do you pay them more to help offset them so they can buy their own plans? Seriously, let us know...

2) You post, at least twice a day, if not much more, yet you refuse to buy a premium membership, WHY? Why won't you contribute to something you use on a daily basis?

OH and another thing, The US isn't Canada, not in economics, not in demographics, not in social class, so um basically NOT comparable, thanks anyways...

Hey Eric;

I believe the consensus is that no one cares. Why?

A couple of reasons come to mind.

#1 Not one of the opinions expessed here is going to
change a thing regarding the health care issue in
the world at large.

#2 Nothing personal but it seems that perhaps
your comments on the subject lack credibility
based on your criticism of others regarding health
care and your refusal to provide it for you own
employees. Of course you have the right to do
as you wish in this regard but it does weaken
any position you might have on the subject.

Any position you take on the subject will always be
on shaky ground until you put yourself in a position
of experience regarding the matter of providing health care
for others.

I pay them as much as I can afford to pay them without having to close down my business. If I had to pay for their health insurance, I would have to lower their salaries accordingly. As it is, with rising costs and a lousy economy, things have been tough. So I guess the answer would be "yes".



What is your issue with this? There are plenty of others who are not premium members, and there are 3 other members who are not premium members who have quite a few more posts than me. Do you bother them about it as well? I was under the impression that it was voluntary.

My ex-girlfriend Sophia, who a few X5World members met last fall, has provided me with plenty of first hand experience on how the system works.

Sophia works as a private consultant for a number of doctor offices. She works on commission only, and she helps them collect the many insurance claims that the insurance companies deny on a regular basis. She knows the rules/laws, and tells me that 95% of insurance claims that are denied are being illegally denied. So even though she is not an attorney, she sends them letters citing legal statutes and quoting laws, and threatens legal action if they do not comply. She collects on over 75% of the claims she is given, and she gets paid based on what she collects.

The insurance companies have entire departments with hundreds of employees whose sole purpose is to find loopholes and reasons why they can deny care. Every single claim passes through these departments, and they deny every possible claim they can come up with any sort of reason to deny, no matter how rediculous or illegal each denial is.

You know how many claims Sophia works on that are Medicaid or Medicare (i.e. government) claims? None. Do you know why? Because those claims are rarely denied, and when they are, it is simple to remedy the error.

If the system worked like it should, Sophia would be out of a job. My understanding of this from her, is that most doctors have someone in-house who takes care of this stuff, but usually this person really has no idea what they are doing and thus they do not manage to collect on most of the denied claims, and the doctors simply take a loss on these, or end up going after the patients for the money.

She deals with small things like regular doctor visits and other such things. But with large things, like surgery, cancer treatment, etc. -- those things usually must be approved by the provider in advance. And so if the claim is denied, then so is the treatment, as in the case of the video I posted above. So even though the guy has health insurance, he dies from cancer because the insurance company refuses to cover the treatment that the doctor said was necessary to save his life.