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Old 05-16-2008, 01:55 PM
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Well don't miss the main points here, marriage under law and marriage under religion. Marriage under law simply deals with entitlements that most married couples have, joint-taxes, hospitals for a family member, insurance, etc. Marriage under religion, gay/lesbian will most likely never be accepted, at least by conventional religions. And that is NOT the choice of the government, or citizens but believers.
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Old 05-16-2008, 02:24 PM
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1) Partners

2) It's their decision

3) Do you mean maternity?


No Paternity Leave for the father but who would the father be??
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Isn't it true that civil unions provide that already?


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Interesting discussion.

But does anybody really understand the true significance of the lift on the ban on gay marriages? It has nothing to do with carnal behavior or holding yourself out as married couples.

Here are a few reasons, good or bad.

Its all about the flow of civil effects... the legal benefits of being married...what the law already affords to heterosexual married couples will now apply to married gay couples. For instance: death and heirship laws, tax laws, child custody, health benefits, guardianship, parental rights, community property, adoption, life insurance benefits, etc, etc...
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Isn't it true that civil unions provide that already?

Civil Unions tend to have certain limited rights and benefits of marriage. California never had Civil Unions, but had Domestic Partnership laws similar in nature. Now, these partnerships are not banned under California law.
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Old 05-16-2008, 09:33 PM
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Isn't it true that civil unions provide that already?
Well isn't the back of the bus the same as the front? Ponder that! Same thing barry seperate but never equal.
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No Paternity Leave for the father but who would the father be??

We do get paternity leave, but:

1. it's not as long as maternity leave
2. it's a relatively new thing (law was passed under Clinton)

Remember, this is not Europe. We don't get six weeks paid vacation, either.

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I don't think so my friend.
That argument doesn't fly.

During the time when making
black folks ride the back of the bus
was fashionable here's how it worked.

On any given day If you and i got on the bus
at the same time and you were gay
All you would have to do is keep your
mouth shut find any seat in the front
and no one would know the difference.

Me on the other hand? No need to say a word.
The skin I'm in would dictate "go to the back of the bus"
I lived it my friend. Believe me there is a difference.

End of argument.

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Old 05-17-2008, 04:46 AM
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We do get paternity leave, but:

1. it's not as long as maternity leave
2. it's a relatively new thing (law was passed under Clinton)

Remember, this is not Europe. We don't get six weeks paid vacation, either.

Juan


Paternity leave for the father is something like 13 weeks up until the child reaches the age of five (employer dependent) usually the father takes 2 maybe 3 weeks at the time of birth.

The mother has the right to Statutory maternity leave for 52 weeks. They may be entitled to receive Statutory Maternity Pay for up to 39 weeks of the leave dependent on that employer.

If a same sex couple were to adopt a young child do you think the employer would give the partners the same rights as a "normal" couple.
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If a same sex couple were to adopt a young child do you think the employer would give the partners the same rights as a "normal" couple.

If two men get married.... Who's the mother and who's the Father

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Paternity leave for the father is something like 13 weeks up until the child reaches the age of five (employer dependent) usually the father takes 2 maybe 3 weeks at the time of birth.

If two women get married who's the mother and who's the father

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The mother has the right to Statutory maternity leave for 52 weeks. They may be entitled to receive Statutory Maternity Pay for up to 39 weeks of the leave dependent on that employer.

Seems like that would be confusing for a child who would need a mother if it were two men, and equally as confusing for a child that needed a father if it were two women.
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A lot of children have just on parent, so I would think two parents regardless of sex or preference is better.
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